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	<title>Comments on: Neurotheology research plan (I): motor system</title>
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	<description>Religion. Brain. Dogen. Language. Japan.</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Magee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Magee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2005 23:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due repsect to Lutz et al...it sounds like a stretch at best.  At worst, it calls to mind &#8216;research&#8217; done in the 1990s on the effectiveness of prayer, the wonderful, documented, physical  results of which turned out to be fraudulent.

I mean, no doubt there are truly astounding physical specimens out there whose control over otherwise autonomous human biological systems is attributable to years of daily meditation practice.  But the problem I have is with how the meditation process is defined, measured and controlled.  I would venture a guess that the pecentage of meditators who succeed in bringing about noticeable physical changes is probably somewhere between 0.05%-0.10% of the total number of meditators. Which is still plenty of people considering the ranks of meditators the world over, only you don&#8217;t know which ones are going to succeed at it.  

It also seems impossible with today&#8217;s medical technology to compare what two different meditators may be doing inside their heads, assuming that they accomplish the same effects.

If Mr. Myers still gets his quarterly rag from &lt;span class="caps"&gt;RPI&lt;/span&gt;, there is a good article in the current one about the directions and goals &lt;span class="caps"&gt;RPI&lt;/span&gt;&#8217;s cognitive research program. They&#8217;re doing a lot of nuts and bolts type stuff in observing, recording physical activites and correlating them to what&#8217;s going on  in the study participants&#8217; heads at  the same time.  Perhaps the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;RPI&lt;/span&gt; folks would be willing to team up with Lutz, or at least share the &lt;span class="caps"&gt;RPI&lt;/span&gt; methodology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due repsect to Lutz et al&#8230;it sounds like a stretch at best.  At worst, it calls to mind &#8216;research&#8217; done in the 1990s on the effectiveness of prayer, the wonderful, documented, physical  results of which turned out to be fraudulent.</p>
<p>I mean, no doubt there are truly astounding physical specimens out there whose control over otherwise autonomous human biological systems is attributable to years of daily meditation practice.  But the problem I have is with how the meditation process is defined, measured and controlled.  I would venture a guess that the pecentage of meditators who succeed in bringing about noticeable physical changes is probably somewhere between 0.05%-0.10% of the total number of meditators. Which is still plenty of people considering the ranks of meditators the world over, only you don&#8217;t know which ones are going to succeed at it.  </p>
<p>It also seems impossible with today&#8217;s medical technology to compare what two different meditators may be doing inside their heads, assuming that they accomplish the same effects.</p>
<p>If Mr. Myers still gets his quarterly rag from <span class="caps">RPI</span>, there is a good article in the current one about the directions and goals <span class="caps">RPI</span>&#8217;s cognitive research program. They&#8217;re doing a lot of nuts and bolts type stuff in observing, recording physical activites and correlating them to what&#8217;s going on  in the study participants&#8217; heads at  the same time.  Perhaps the <span class="caps">RPI</span> folks would be willing to team up with Lutz, or at least share the <span class="caps">RPI</span> methodology.</p>
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