Comments on: Can drugs contribute to enlightenment? http://www.numenware.com/article/531 Religion. Brain. Dogen. Language. Japan. Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:13:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: andrew http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-3743 andrew Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:48:40 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-3743 not one experienced person in the world of drugs said no to this possibility. Only the folks that have no experience or one measly X trip which isnt even in the drug category that causes enlightenment. You cannot judge something you've never tried and with drugs if you've never tried them you've never come close to the world of truths they reveal. I will not check back to see ignorant arguements but think about what you say against the matter for we have been in both worlds you are blinded to one, let us ask the color blind man his choice of color. not one experienced person in the world of drugs said no to this possibility. Only the folks that have no experience or one measly X trip which isnt even in the drug category that causes enlightenment. You cannot judge something you’ve never tried and with drugs if you’ve never tried them you’ve never come close to the world of truths they reveal. I will not check back to see ignorant arguements but think about what you say against the matter for we have been in both worlds you are blinded to one, let us ask the color blind man his choice of color.

]]> By: friedrich http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-3695 friedrich Sat, 05 Jan 2008 00:02:27 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-3695 I have known many people who have taken ecstasy and not one of them ever had a bad trip. I have known people who have taken lsd or mushrooms and had a bad trip but not the first time they took it, and they don't regret trying. These types of drugs are not dangerous, unless you are the type that considers alchohol dangerous. You can get intoxicaed and then go drive your car and die, but that is not the fault of the drug. Psilocybin is one of the safest substances there is, nobody has ever died from overdose, and even the worst trip wears off. I have known many people who have taken ecstasy and not one of them ever had a bad trip. I have known people who have taken lsd or mushrooms and had a bad trip but not the first time they took it, and they don’t regret trying. These types of drugs are not dangerous, unless you are the type that considers alchohol dangerous. You can get intoxicaed and then go drive your car and die, but that is not the fault of the drug. Psilocybin is one of the safest substances there is, nobody has ever died from overdose, and even the worst trip wears off.

]]> By: kaf http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-1563 kaf Thu, 27 Sep 2007 21:19:26 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-1563 sorry, the email address above is fake sorry, the email address above is fake

]]> By: Kaf http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-1562 Kaf Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:56:05 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-1562 ecstacy triggered <span class="caps">OCD</span> and panic attacks for me. A lot of hippies who found “the secret” with <span class="caps">LSD</span> in the 60’s became angry divorced parents in the 70’s. Does meditation enlighten us? Who knows? But I certainly doubt that drugs do (though I forever think and feel differently now after having done them- and not always for the better) I <span class="caps">HIGHLY</span> caution anyone reading this that is considering doing hallucinogens (including ecstacy) that doing it <span class="caps">ONCE</span> completely changed my life and I would probably not do it if I could go back in time. Meditate. It can’t hurt you and won’t set off a chamical imbalance in your exceptionally delicate brain chemistry. Thanks for listening ecstacy triggered OCD and panic attacks for me. A lot of hippies who found “the secret” with LSD in the 60’s became angry divorced parents in the 70’s. Does meditation enlighten us? Who knows? But I certainly doubt that drugs do (though I forever think and feel differently now after having done them- and not always for the better) I HIGHLY caution anyone reading this that is considering doing hallucinogens (including ecstacy) that doing it ONCE completely changed my life and I would probably not do it if I could go back in time. Meditate. It can’t hurt you and won’t set off a chamical imbalance in your exceptionally delicate brain chemistry. Thanks for listening

]]> By: Nienke Bosch http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-964 Nienke Bosch Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:13:07 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-964 Yes, there there are “special medicines”, which, if taken with the proper attitude, can facilitate self-realization.” Then he added: “But if you have the proper attitude, you can take anything - take a walk, or a bath. ” Zen Master Soeng Sahn Yes, there there are “special medicines”, which, if taken with the proper attitude, can facilitate self-realization.” Then he added: “But if you have the proper attitude, you can take anything - take a walk, or a bath. ”
Zen Master Soeng Sahn

]]> By: david the guide http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-1029 david the guide Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:21:48 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-1029 there is no right or wrong way to enlightenment, nor can anyone know when they truly are enlightented, as there is always a larger truth waiting to be revealed outside of every reality. i help people attain a better grasp of how to become part of the eternal and infinite, be it by making sure they have a good trip if they decide to do drugs of any kind, or just attempting to explain in my very humble and small way the sort of thing that will help them get to where they want to be in their universe- ruler- creator- destroyer. we are all of these but only by experience can we learn how to apply these abilities to the external as well as the internal life. there are no rules. live while u can. but remember death is not the end. as birth was not the beginning. there are countless relams of pleasure, excitement, ecstasy, adventure, joy and love, just waiting to reveal themselves to each and every one of us. knowing your own key to unlocking these internal delights is your secret that must be kept that way. remember. share your secret only with the souls who are prepared to understand it, or even want to. and keep this to a minimum. in the big wide world, the less said the better on some subjects. the time to speak of these things openly is approaching. we have all of eternity to get there. much peace love and harmony to you all. david there is no right or wrong way to enlightenment, nor can anyone know when they truly are enlightented, as there is always a larger truth waiting to be revealed outside of every reality.
i help people attain a better grasp of how to become part of the eternal and infinite, be it by making sure they have a good trip if they decide to do drugs of any kind, or just attempting to explain in my very humble and small way the sort of thing that will help them get to where they want to be in their universe- ruler- creator- destroyer. we are all of these but only by experience can we learn how to apply these abilities to the external as well as the internal life.
there are no rules.
live while u can.
but remember death is not the end.
as birth was not the beginning.
there are countless relams of pleasure, excitement, ecstasy, adventure, joy and love, just waiting to reveal themselves to each and every one of us. knowing your own key to unlocking these internal delights is your secret that must be kept that way.
remember.
share your secret only with the souls who are prepared to understand it, or even want to.
and keep this to a minimum.
in the big wide world, the less said the better on some subjects.
the time to speak of these things openly is approaching.
we have all of eternity to get there.
much peace love and harmony to you all.
david

]]> By: Lao Tzi http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-912 Lao Tzi Fri, 02 Feb 2007 05:38:10 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-912 The way that can be sold is not the Way The way that can be shown is not the Way The way that can be ingested is not the Way... Thousands of years of attempting to find an external stimuli to affect the body which is the result and cause of ego, not Self, and the only way to find the everpresent way is to empty the “mind” of all attachments to “reality”, and eliminate the falsity of dualistic existence, only then will one truly take the first step towards enlightenment. But realize this... He who says he is the way is not the Way. He who says he possesses the way is not in possession of the Way. The only one who can experience the Truth which is Divine Eternal Self is the Self of self... The way that can be sold is not the Way
The way that can be shown is not the Way
The way that can be ingested is not the Way…

Thousands of years of attempting to find an external stimuli to affect the body which is the result and cause of ego, not Self, and the only way to find the everpresent way is to empty the “mind” of all attachments to “reality”, and eliminate the falsity of dualistic existence, only then will one truly take the first step towards enlightenment.

But realize this…
He who says he is the way is not the Way.
He who says he possesses the way is not in possession of the Way.
The only one who can experience the Truth which is Divine Eternal Self is the Self of self…

]]> By: Haidyn http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-736 Haidyn Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:38:49 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-736 Oh and by the way - I reached Nirvana. And it is as amazing as it’s supposed to be. I hope everybody gets there. I strongly encourage those who have the discipline to meditate in boxes or under a tree for 20 years (just to taste what I had in a drug experience one cold June day a long time ago) try what I did and having the short-cut route, may help you to understand and experience what all your hard work is aiming towards. And on a final note. I make my own decisions on what I consider good or bad - or as I prefer to think of it - What works and what doesn’t work for me. At the end of the day - why judge? Haidyn Oh and by the way - I reached Nirvana. And it is as amazing as it’s supposed to be. I hope everybody gets there.

I strongly encourage those who have the discipline to meditate in boxes or under a tree for 20 years (just to taste what I had in a drug experience one cold June day a long time ago) try what I did and having the short-cut route, may help you to understand and experience what all your hard work is aiming towards.

And on a final note. I make my own decisions on what I consider good or bad - or as I prefer to think of it - What works and what doesn’t work for me. At the end of the day - why judge?

Haidyn

]]> By: Haidyn http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-670 Haidyn Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:29:56 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-670 I experienced deep, strong and beautiful enlightenment, after 9 hours of frightning insanity on the drug pcylociben (Magic Mushrooms). The insanity was unimaginable. The biblical idea of fire and brimstone and eternal damnation in hell is much preferable to the torture (albiet physically pain free) of insanity. Insanity makes a day in hell look like a walk in the park. In itself though, there was enlightenment. Then there was the answers to the universe, to the self, there was wisdom and understanding of eternal truths and rememberings of a grander reality. The truth of oneness. The illusion of separation. The core of universal motivation being love. The great truths of God, the same thing we call life and love and light. The deliverance from the asking - to finally become the knowing. Has my life changed? You bet it has. I had my experience on that druga very long time ago and have yet to feel any sense of sadness. For how can I be sad, when love is at the core of every deed? That drug changed my life, but taught me nothing new, it simply validated what already made common sense to this former Agnostic. Life is Beautiful. Everyone should have magic mushrooms once - so that they can recall the deeper truths and give them what we all want the most eternal euforia, enlightenment and exctacy. Haidyn I experienced deep, strong and beautiful enlightenment, after 9 hours of frightning insanity on the drug pcylociben (Magic Mushrooms). The insanity was unimaginable. The biblical idea of fire and brimstone and eternal damnation in hell is much preferable to the torture (albiet physically pain free) of insanity. Insanity makes a day in hell look like a walk in the park. In itself though, there was enlightenment.

Then there was the answers to the universe, to the self, there was wisdom and understanding of eternal truths and rememberings of a grander reality. The truth of oneness. The illusion of separation. The core of universal motivation being love. The great truths of God, the same thing we call life and love and light. The deliverance from the asking - to finally become the knowing.

Has my life changed? You bet it has. I had my experience on that druga very long time ago and have yet to feel any sense of sadness. For how can I be sad, when love is at the core of every deed?

That drug changed my life, but taught me nothing new, it simply validated what already made common sense to this former Agnostic.

Life is Beautiful. Everyone should have magic mushrooms once - so that they can recall the deeper truths and give them what we all want the most eternal euforia, enlightenment and exctacy.

Haidyn

]]> By: Journeyman http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-545 Journeyman Fri, 21 Jul 2006 23:26:38 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-545 Drugs for enlightened state, why not? The danger is attachment. Eventually we are only left with consiousness—what then? Drugs for enlightened state, why not? The danger is attachment. Eventually we are only left with consiousness—what then?

]]> By: Kamma http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-544 Kamma Fri, 21 Jul 2006 00:37:40 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-544 It depends alot on your idea of ‘enlightenment’. Afterall, Enlightenment is just an idea. What you consider to be enlightened is the point you want to reach, so, perhaps drugs can be the path for some and not for others? It depends alot on your idea of ‘enlightenment’. Afterall, Enlightenment is just an idea. What you consider to be enlightened is the point you want to reach, so, perhaps drugs can be the path for some and not for others?

]]> By: Sridhar Ratna http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-540 Sridhar Ratna Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:57:01 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-540 <a href="http://community.livejournal.com/buddhists/1781179.html">Comments from an online Buddhists community</a>. Comments from an online Buddhists community.

]]> By: Sridhar Ratna http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-539 Sridhar Ratna Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:54:21 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-539 I would always believe in direct experience than intellectual derivations like this. Let me know if someone discovers an “enlightenment drug” someday. Meanwhile, I will go with the 2500 years old method... I would always believe in direct experience than intellectual derivations like this. Let me know if someone discovers an “enlightenment drug” someday. Meanwhile, I will go with the 2500 years old method…

]]> By: Suraj http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-532 Suraj Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:50:33 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-532 I whole-heartedly agree with you. I whole-heartedly agree with you.

]]> By: erin o. http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-538 erin o. Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:54:10 +0000 http://www.numenware.com/article/531#comment-538 i whole-heartedly disagree with you. i whole-heartedly disagree with you.

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