“Science Vs God”? So what’s so bad about that subject? It certainly is in the news lately especially with the WMAP and COBE satellite experiments. Then there are too very interesting DVD’s out “The Privileged Planet” and “The Case for a Creator” (dial the names into Google and be a curious human with an open mind and an inquisitive ’spirit’).

Then how about the science with the irreducible complexity and the books by Michael Behe?

and lastly (mainly because I think most of you are narrow minded - especially the “deaf” guy who “hates God”…by the way then God must exist…seeing as how you’ve given Him your ability to target for hatred!)…there is a very interesting current best seller out there on the market. called “What’s So Great about Christianity” it is by Dinesh D’Souza. and it is very open minded and looks back at history with some very interesting insight. If you are all so prejudice (about God…mainly) I hope will at least give Dinesh a chance and not think him incapable of writing or speaking seeing as how you have all certainly figured out that with such a name he ‘must’ speak and think funny. Then IF this be the case put his name into http://www.youtube.com and look and listen to his conference debates and when he was on Hannity and Combes. I think even the likes of you all will find him worth the time.

(for the ‘deaf’ guy…go research on the internet WHY there is evil in the word and with the subject of “fairness” to.). Frankly, if you think you’ve got it so bad then you need to go look at the children’s cancer ward in Boston. I believe all you really need is some cheese and crackers to go along with your whine…ing. The best way to get out of your complaining is to go do something for someone else (you won’t do that…this I know) but IT IS THE WAY OUT. We humans are very interesting creatures able to appreciate music and art and imagine and love and hate (your focus)….we have a concept of fairness (now just what is ‘fairness’ when the world is just a big wind-up-toy that has no thought for anything. As meandering molecular mistakes that randomly hiccupped itself into ‘existence’ why are any of you even concerned about this subject? You should be doing your Darwinian ‘thing’ to better your ‘stay’ here on this chancy orb called Earth and rape pillage and burn to better your chances to extend your line of the species and then to diminish those of your rivals. Come on you apes-from-hell why are you even caring about anything…if you must ‘think’ then think of this: Why is there something rather than nothing?…and then go ask the stars for the meaning of why you are the former rather than the later.

For me at least, science is a good teacher to turn to for answers logical as far as the mind can accept, and religion a good therapist for the soul when there is nothing else to turn to.

Then atheism has its limits, too, though those limits are far away from everyday life.

So what is one to do? I think it is useful for Time to have published Francis Collins’ attempt to have both evolution and a micromanaging God in his world view. I don’t think that works, as your criticisms illustrate. It’s good for people to see that.

I wish there was anyone, theist or atheist who would write a book I can agree with completely. Yet they all seem to lack some experience I have had, technical or spiritual, and seem to see people like me as their enemy, whether theist or atheist. At some point I gave up looking for a good book any more than I look now for a good theory of everything from physics. If one comes along, I’ll hear about it. I might be content to be an atheist now having lived my life in science, but in my thirties I started praying for help for problems in my career and marriage. And help came. Anyone can insult that as anecdotal, but it wasn’t anecdotal to me. And as a scientific observer of human behavior, it’s not something trivial that will just disappear from human culture.

That help has continued through something I don’t understand, but call God. I doubt that God created the universe, but who knows? We only know what we touch somehow, even if only in our consciousness. To have faith in anything beyond that requires something we touch be trustworthy. Francis Collins isn’t that for me. No author is, except for some bits and pieces they say that I’m sure are true, but only because of what I already know, not faith.

I have faith in God. God has been trustworthy for me to create that faith, God being whoever and whatever it was that answered when I prayed, “God help me!” If that is my delusion, OK. If not, it is something that is not going away.

Here’s my two bits on this intractable debate. Hope you and others can appreciate my efforts to provide a key to a true solution for humanity’s seemingly never-ending cycle of struggle and despair.

Analyzing the Creator Debate

Did you ever consider that atheism arose because certain people saw that religious characterizations about the nature of an omnipotent “God” were seriously flawed and then concluded that religion and the Creator were the same things? This is the exact same conclusion at the base of religious beliefs; namely that the Creator and religion are inseparable. Consequently, both atheists and religious followers are arguing over a flawed assumption without considering that other possibilities negate the common core conclusion of both groups. These arguments are actually over religion and whether it represents a reliable model of reality. The answer to this question is of course not. Religion is not only flawed, it is purposely deceptive! Though atheists are certainly sincere in their conclusions, the fact remains that they and religious followers are locked in a debate that cannot be won by either side because both base their positions upon whether the same flawed premise is the truth. In order for this debate to conclude with a truthful answer, a greater level of discernment is required.

One apt clarifying question is, if someone tells lies about you, does that negate you or make you a liar or a lie? Certainly, the image cast about you would be a false one, but that is their image, not the real you. Consequently, faulty religious assertions about the Creator of this universe do not negate the existence of a Creator. Considering the possibility that this universe is not by chance leaves the door open to how it arose, which leads us to seek what could have created and maintained it. Since neither religion nor science has yet adequately answered this question, it is safe to conclude that those who argue about the Creator based on either are most certainly wrong about one or more aspects. Therefore, another point of view and additional knowledge are required.

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